(1) In a separate discussion, you accuse me of creating my own definition (I did not), but here you are creating your own definitions. (2) We were debating democratic self-determination, not sovereignty. (3) Wow, just wow, so you're excusing Egypt and Jordan denying Palestinians democratic self-determination in the years after WWII. You are anti-democracy. (4) Gaza could thrive just as much as Singapore has. West Bank could thrive just as much as Andorra or San Marino. If Palestinians there chose to take the path of the people of Singapore/Andorra/San Marino. But Palestinians have not.