" trying to destroy NATO" - Trying? Actions and results matter more than words. Sure, Trump said lots of stuff. Irrelevant. Under Obama and Trump's administrations, NATO grew stronger and Ukraine grew continuously stronger. Obama cancelled missiles to Poland; Trump brought that deal back. Trump stopped Nordstream 2; one of Biden's first acts was re-approve Nordstream 2 after Obama had approved it. The fact of the matter is that Trump got the result of STRENGTHENING NATO; his words don't matter.